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Abu Ghraib Torture Photos

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    The photos America doesn't want seen MORE photographs have been leaked of Iraqi citizens tortured by US soldiers at the notorious Abu Ghraib prison on the outskirts of Baghdad. Tonight the SBS Dateline program plans to broadcast about 60 previously unpublished photographs that the US Government has been fighting to keep secret in a court case with the American Civil Liberties Union. Although a US judge last year granted the union access to the photographs following a freedom-of-information request, the US Administration has appealed against the decision on the grounds their release would fuel anti-American sentiment. Some of the photos are similar to those published in 2004, others are different. They include photographs of six corpses, although the circumstances of their deaths are not clear. There are also pictures of what appear to be burns and wounds from shotgun pellets. The executive producer of Dateline, Mike Carey, said he was showing the pictures leaked to his program because it was important people understood what had happened at Abu Ghraib. Seven US guards were jailed following publication of the first batch of Abu Ghraib photographs in April 2004. Mr Carey said he could not explain why the photographs had not yet been published, as he thought it was likely that some journalists had them. "It think it's strange, maybe they think its more of the same."
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Tuesday, April 20, 2004

US General - Fallujah is a "rat's nest."

"We went in because we had to to find the perpetrators and what we found was a huge rat's nest that is still festering today. It needs to be dealt with," he told the Senate Armed Services Committee.

All right. It's time to call BS on this Fallujah farce. This so-called "truce" is unilateral. The "civic leaders" supposedly undertaking the thankless task of communicating to the rebels the American demand that they lay down their arms - and that is the one and only demand the Americans have left, they've already caved on everything else - are likely nobodies. Anyone who thinks the rebels are going to comply needs to lay off the Kool-Aid.

All signs point to the fact that the Americans were fought to a standstill at Fallujah. They made a big mistake trying to lay siege to Fallujah because now their supply lines are cut and they're the ones under siege while rebel forces move at will to conduct ambushes on the highways, mortar the prison at Abu Grahib and attack the Marines who claim to be "shutting down the Syrian border." That's a joke.

The Marines at Fallujah and Ramadi are rationing MRE's. There hasn't been a supply convoy for over a week.

Today, even Rumsfeld is admitting that the truce talks are a farce:

Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld says there's only a ''remote'' possibility that negotiations will bring peace to Fallujah, Iraq. Rumsfeld says he never rules anything out. And Joint Chief Vice Chairman Peter Pace says talks among U-S military leaders, Iraqi Governing Council members and Fallujah's town elders will continue as long as they're fruitful. But Rumsfeld says the problem is that the people wreaking havoc on Fallujah aren't involved in the negotiations. He says former Iraqi intelligence officials, Republican Guardsmen and foreign terrorists are inside the city but aren't part of the talks. Pace says U-S troops are holding back to allow politicians to try diplomacy in Fallujah. But he says the Marines are poised to go back on the offensive if talks fail.
The only way they're "going back on the offensive" is by bringing in massive airpower. The rebels have had a week to reinforce their positions and bring in more fighters, and you can bet they've been doing just that. The Marine position has deteriorated because of lack of supplies. They're going to have to make a move soon and it is likely going to be one of the worst bloodbaths of the invasion because IF they go on the offensive again they're going to bomb Fallujah to rubble from carrier-based aircraft.

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Here's a story about the rationing of the Marines's food:
South African Independent story
(strange how you never find this sort of thing on Fox News, isn't it?)

Stuff like this never happens in movies or on TV.
I didn't know troops ate while they were in the field.

When can we dispense with all the excuses and start blaming the soldiers?

I knew the military was full of BS on Falluja when this weekend they said the fighting at the Syrian border was being carried out by several hundred insurgents who had traveled there from, of all places, Falluja!! So they don't even have the city sealed off. For two weeks they have been saying that had the city sealed off and now they admit hundreds of insurgents can appearently get in an out at will.

Also, Tex, I think part of the reason why the Marines have stopped attacking Falluja is that they realize it is a political disaster for them. Maybe they can kill the thousand or two thousand insurgents inside Falluja (assuming they haven't all packed up and left by now) but by destroying the city of Falluja in such a brutal way they are turning hundreds of thousands or millions of Iraqis against them. So this is really a losing proposition for the Marines no matter what they do.

Killed a thousand or 2 insurgents, are you crazy!!!!?
So far the marines have killed 600 iraqis from wich 300 are children and women and the other 300 aren't all insurgents so they aren't even close to win the siege.
And BTW America has already had the whole world against them so they have got nothing to lose. Kimmit said that the U.S was winning the siege of fallujah and 2 days later Abizaid says he needs 2 more brigades.

Killed a thousand or 2 insurgents, are you crazy!!!!?
So far the marines have killed 600 iraqis from wich 300 are children and women and the other 300 aren't all insurgents so they aren't even close to win the siege.
And BTW America has already had the whole world against them so they have got nothing to lose. Kimmit said that the U.S was winning the siege of fallujah and 2 days later Abizaid says he needs 2 more brigades.

Killed a thousand or 2 insurgents, are you crazy!!!!?
So far the marines have killed 600 iraqis from wich 300 are children and women and the other 300 aren't all insurgents so they aren't even close to win the siege.
And BTW America has already had the whole world against them so they have got nothing to lose. Kimmit said that the U.S was winning the siege of fallujah and 2 days later Abizaid says he needs 2 more brigades.

Tarek: read my post carfully - I didn't say they had killed a thousand insurgents. It was a hypothetical. And I did say that they were turning lots of people against the US by their tactics in Falluja.

I'm sorry for posting 3 times ive got a problem with my browser.
When u say that they stopped attacking fallujah because of the hate that would be generated, i thinks its false i think they are not only losing politically but also on the military point of view. Marines tried several times to enter this great city but they were fiercly repeled, and it did cost them a hell of alot of troops.

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